Comments on: DSM V Shadow Team Strikes Back at Psychiatric Establishment on PTSD http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/ ...Read This, Drug and Health Safety News Blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:50:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Beofre You Take That Pill Top 10 Blog Posts for 2009 | Before You Take That Pill http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-6254 Beofre You Take That Pill Top 10 Blog Posts for 2009 | Before You Take That Pill Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:56:03 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-6254 [...] DSM V Shadow Team Strikes Back at Psychiatric Establishment on PTSD: My blogs about psychiatry and the DSM were the most controversial but also most read, funny how that goes. In this post I acted like an asshole in criticizing what had been written in the popular press about the process of defining PTSD… [...] [...] DSM V Shadow Team Strikes Back at Psychiatric Establishment on PTSD: My blogs about psychiatry and the DSM were the most controversial but also most read, funny how that goes. In this post I acted like an asshole in criticizing what had been written in the popular press about the process of defining PTSD… [...]

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]]> By: Response to Peter Lipson MD of “Science” Based Blogs, My Blog Does Not Suck, Yours Does | Before You Take That Pill http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-4362 Response to Peter Lipson MD of “Science” Based Blogs, My Blog Does Not Suck, Yours Does | Before You Take That Pill Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:04:46 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-4362 [...] to throw rocks at. This pattern of getting attacked by someone from the science-based blogs (see my exchange with David Dobbs over PTSD), and then have them all chuckle and pat themselves on the back afterward in the comments [...] [...] to throw rocks at. This pattern of getting attacked by someone from the science-based blogs (see my exchange with David Dobbs over PTSD), and then have them all chuckle and pat themselves on the back afterward in the comments [...]

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]]> By: Response to a Rather Chowder Headed Article on PTSD | Before You Take That Pill http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-2888 Response to a Rather Chowder Headed Article on PTSD | Before You Take That Pill Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:29:55 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-2888 [...] The authors refer to a study of patients being treated with medication for depression where those with and without a history of trauma had similar rates of co-morbid PTSD at 78%. Given the overlap of symptoms between PTSD and depression and the strong link between depression and trauma this really isn’t all that surprising. They cite another study in which healthy college students were divided into those with a DSM defined trauma and those without. The ones in the group without trauma had higher levels of PTSD. A traumatic event is defined in DSM as a threat to self or or personal integrity, or the sudden death or injury of someone close to you, experienced with intense fear, horror or helplessness. Obviously an event like a death of a parent can be very traumatic for a child, even if it doesn’t happen suddenly. In fact, in this second study, 2/3 of the students noted death of a parent or someone close to them as a ‘non-congruent’ trauma. Furthermore the paper did not specify whether the required “fear, horror or helplessness” was assessed, so we have to assume that it wasn’t. These papers were in an issue of the Journal of Anxiety which ran a series of troll-ish articles which I have previously taken on here. [...] [...] The authors refer to a study of patients being treated with medication for depression where those with and without a history of trauma had similar rates of co-morbid PTSD at 78%. Given the overlap of symptoms between PTSD and depression and the strong link between depression and trauma this really isn’t all that surprising. They cite another study in which healthy college students were divided into those with a DSM defined trauma and those without. The ones in the group without trauma had higher levels of PTSD. A traumatic event is defined in DSM as a threat to self or or personal integrity, or the sudden death or injury of someone close to you, experienced with intense fear, horror or helplessness. Obviously an event like a death of a parent can be very traumatic for a child, even if it doesn’t happen suddenly. In fact, in this second study, 2/3 of the students noted death of a parent or someone close to them as a ‘non-congruent’ trauma. Furthermore the paper did not specify whether the required “fear, horror or helplessness” was assessed, so we have to assume that it wasn’t. These papers were in an issue of the Journal of Anxiety which ran a series of troll-ish articles which I have previously taken on here. [...]

]]> By: Chowder-Headed Article on PTSD Fails to Inspire | Before You Take That Pill http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-2887 Chowder-Headed Article on PTSD Fails to Inspire | Before You Take That Pill Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:25:29 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-2887 [...] ‘cases’. However, as we wrote in a letter to Science and as I discussed on this site previously in reference to the articles in the chowder-headed 2007 (21; 2) Journal of Anxiety Disorders there [...] [...] ‘cases’. However, as we wrote in a letter to Science and as I discussed on this site previously in reference to the articles in the chowder-headed 2007 (21; 2) Journal of Anxiety Disorders there [...]

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]]> By: Gary Morrison http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-1724 Gary Morrison Sat, 30 May 2009 14:11:18 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-1724 American Psychology is in crisis. This industry and its troubles have nothing to do with science or ethics. Psychology defends a statist view of history. The class structure they have worked to preserve and pretend not to recognize is in collapse. How effectively they have psychologized to conceal Americas chronic social, economic and political ills has been their secret trade value all along. They seem to have some budding awareness that this priveliged professional position in society is now in jepordy. Their science is among the last existing vestages of the Victorian tradidition and their rituals are part of the camp that goes with it. These people are living in a world that no longer exists. Who can blame them for attempting to reinvent themselves as a cult? They are running out of options. To loose the patronage of the pharmacuetical industry and HMO's would be the end of the line for them and they know it. Whatever the outcome, 60,000 licensed practicioners can hardly avoid creating a scene when push finaly comes to shove.It stands to reason that the DSM V committe is not meeting in secret to do legitimate science. To better understand their perdiciment, consider that they are now being forced to contemplate their declining fortunes, which are not unlike those of a traveling circus at the dawn of the age of television. Psychology is the 59' Buick of american social sciences, pure nostalgia. American Psychology is in crisis. This industry and its troubles have nothing to do with science or ethics. Psychology defends a statist view of history. The class structure they have worked to preserve and pretend not to recognize is in collapse. How effectively they have psychologized to conceal Americas chronic social, economic and political ills has been their secret trade value all along. They seem to have some budding awareness that this priveliged professional position in society is now in jepordy. Their science is among the last existing vestages of the Victorian tradidition and their rituals are part of the camp that goes with it. These people are living in a world that no longer exists. Who can blame them for attempting to reinvent themselves as a cult? They are running out of options. To loose the patronage of the pharmacuetical industry and HMO’s would be the end of the line for them and they know it. Whatever the outcome, 60,000 licensed practicioners can hardly avoid creating a scene when push finaly comes to shove.It stands to reason that the DSM V committe is not meeting in secret to do legitimate science. To better understand their perdiciment, consider that they are now being forced to contemplate their declining fortunes, which are not unlike those of a traveling circus at the dawn of the age of television. Psychology is the 59′ Buick of american social sciences, pure nostalgia.

]]> By: Alison http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-1546 Alison Mon, 04 May 2009 16:22:56 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-1546 I think these comments are classist and elitist, sorry but I do. I think these comments are classist and elitist, sorry but I do.

]]> By: Lizzy http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/03/24/dsm-v-shadow-team-strikes-back-at-psychiatric-establishment-on-ptsd/comment-page-1/#comment-1545 Lizzy Mon, 04 May 2009 13:40:22 +0000 http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/?p=1154#comment-1545 Even if you've signed an agreement, don't go to war. Even if you’ve signed an agreement, don’t go to war.

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