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		<title>By: Demitri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came up with the same finding... That is that the MTA study is flawed.

After three years on the meds, the meds stop working.

Further there is now ovewheming evidence that amphetamines such as Ritalin and Adderall cause brain damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came up with the same finding&#8230; That is that the MTA study is flawed.</p>
<p>After three years on the meds, the meds stop working.</p>
<p>Further there is now ovewheming evidence that amphetamines such as Ritalin and Adderall cause brain damage.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the lack of social awareness on this blog fascinating. I think this would be an ideal time to comment on recent surveys which show that children on medicaid are absurdly more likely to end up on multiple psychotropic medications than children with private insurance. In an ideal world, children would receive both stimulants and behavioral therapy for their ADHD, assuming of course that it is severe enough to adversely impact their social and academic functioning. Unfortunately, many families lack the resources to pursue behavioral therapy. Certainly, the state does not fund it. Most insurances give lip service to paying for behavioral therapy. So what would you suggest be done for a child with severe ADHD who is failing miserable at school and at life? I try and make it a policy to never prescribe psychotropic medications for children without enlisting the services of a specialist in behavioral disorders for the family. Unfortunately, most of the therapists available to children on medicaid are poorly trained and unskilled in evidence based treatments like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. As for the children who can afford therapy and are severely impaired by their ADHD, many therapists suggest using stimulant medications to get children to the point where they can be worked with. Life is rarely black and white, but I find that this constant harping on the ills of the pharmaceutical industry to be detracting from some important issues. The pharmaceutical industry is more a symptom of a dysfunctional system than a cause of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the lack of social awareness on this blog fascinating. I think this would be an ideal time to comment on recent surveys which show that children on medicaid are absurdly more likely to end up on multiple psychotropic medications than children with private insurance. In an ideal world, children would receive both stimulants and behavioral therapy for their ADHD, assuming of course that it is severe enough to adversely impact their social and academic functioning. Unfortunately, many families lack the resources to pursue behavioral therapy. Certainly, the state does not fund it. Most insurances give lip service to paying for behavioral therapy. So what would you suggest be done for a child with severe ADHD who is failing miserable at school and at life? I try and make it a policy to never prescribe psychotropic medications for children without enlisting the services of a specialist in behavioral disorders for the family. Unfortunately, most of the therapists available to children on medicaid are poorly trained and unskilled in evidence based treatments like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. As for the children who can afford therapy and are severely impaired by their ADHD, many therapists suggest using stimulant medications to get children to the point where they can be worked with. Life is rarely black and white, but I find that this constant harping on the ills of the pharmaceutical industry to be detracting from some important issues. The pharmaceutical industry is more a symptom of a dysfunctional system than a cause of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Gina&#039;s book. I can see that some of the ppl commenting here have not. All the attacks on Gina here, are from these ppl.that have not read Her book, or are just out to attack Her for they&#039;re own satifaction.

The truth is very hard to look at sometimes. Would we be helping our children or ourselves to only do whats easy, and not do the hard things? ....Like read the whole story, and learn the big words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Gina&#8217;s book. I can see that some of the ppl commenting here have not. All the attacks on Gina here, are from these ppl.that have not read Her book, or are just out to attack Her for they&#8217;re own satifaction.</p>
<p>The truth is very hard to look at sometimes. Would we be helping our children or ourselves to only do whats easy, and not do the hard things? &#8230;.Like read the whole story, and learn the big words?</p>
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		<title>By: Therapy Patient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therapy Patient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been involuntarily psych-medicated myself, and having found that to be the single most horrible, invasive experience of my life, I side with the folks who err on the side of caution in giving potent meds which affect the brain to kids.  I would not give it to my kid.
 
When a child is under pressure from parents, teachers, physician, psychiatrist and they are ALREADY on a powerful drug, exactly how would these kids manage to have a voice in the matter? They are to speak out against all those in authority when they are being told to take it and not complain? The kids are steamrolled.  Everyone around them who is responsible for forcing the drugs on the kid pats themselves on their own backs.

Gina, I think Dr. B has grounds to question medicating kids, and you are so convinced of your own opinion that I doubt you are looking at the situation in an open-minded way.  I don&#039;t think you know &quot;the truth&quot; about this issue any more than Dr. B does so I just do not understand the bald &quot;YOU ARE WRONG&quot; statements from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been involuntarily psych-medicated myself, and having found that to be the single most horrible, invasive experience of my life, I side with the folks who err on the side of caution in giving potent meds which affect the brain to kids.  I would not give it to my kid.</p>
<p>When a child is under pressure from parents, teachers, physician, psychiatrist and they are ALREADY on a powerful drug, exactly how would these kids manage to have a voice in the matter? They are to speak out against all those in authority when they are being told to take it and not complain? The kids are steamrolled.  Everyone around them who is responsible for forcing the drugs on the kid pats themselves on their own backs.</p>
<p>Gina, I think Dr. B has grounds to question medicating kids, and you are so convinced of your own opinion that I doubt you are looking at the situation in an open-minded way.  I don&#8217;t think you know &#8220;the truth&#8221; about this issue any more than Dr. B does so I just do not understand the bald &#8220;YOU ARE WRONG&#8221; statements from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh geez, my apologies, Marilyn. I misread Marlanka&#039;s name as yours. It&#039;s been a long week.

Readers, please insert &quot;Marlanka&quot; for &quot;Marilyn&quot; in previous post. 

And that&#039;s it for me, Marlanka. You&#039;ll have to get your stimulation elsewhere from now on. Sorry! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh geez, my apologies, Marilyn. I misread Marlanka&#8217;s name as yours. It&#8217;s been a long week.</p>
<p>Readers, please insert &#8220;Marlanka&#8221; for &#8220;Marilyn&#8221; in previous post. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s it for me, Marlanka. You&#8217;ll have to get your stimulation elsewhere from now on. Sorry! <img src='http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Princess, please don&#039;t consider the stimulants or any other medication &quot;recreational.&quot; You&#039;re messing with your neurons and your receptors, dear, and that&#039;s not usually a good thing. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Princess, please don&#8217;t consider the stimulants or any other medication &#8220;recreational.&#8221; You&#8217;re messing with your neurons and your receptors, dear, and that&#8217;s not usually a good thing. <img src='http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Marilyn, it is frightening to me to witness the lack of empathy, not to mention true critical thinking (which involves examining all the evidence) among so many &quot;smart&quot; people. 

I do not understand the need to make things so much  harder for people who suffer enough stigma as it is.

And Dr. B., the idea isn&#039;t to criticize your parenting but to point out that when you write factually incorrect posts like this, your words have power and the ripple out in ways that can hurt people. You have a medical degree. You are a brain expert. So, when you castigate these researchers, CHADD, medications, and everything else, it carries weight.

The result? Vulnerable people are hurt.  I can&#039;t imagine that is your intention. Would you want someone to have told your child, when he was benefiting from medication after his parents best attempts to help him with schoolwork failed, that he was a tool of Big Pharma, that he had been brainwashed by the establishment who wanted to &quot;turn boys into girls&quot; or anything else, that he was seeking a &quot;quick fix&quot; from parents who just didn&#039;t want to be parents?  No, I don&#039;t think so.  But that&#039;s where this kind of talk leads.

Moreover, I&#039;ve had the honor of meeting some of the other MTA investigators (other than the egotistical, selfish Bill Pelham, that is), and I&#039;ve never been so impressed with a group of scientists. Their compassion, their intelligence, and their generosity puts their pot-shotting critics to shame. But it&#039;s not people like this who are loved by the media; the media likes people who make outrageous statements that completely lack nuance and play to their cognitive dissonance.

So, Dr. B., Marilyn, and anyone who wants to criticize the use of medications for people who truly benefit from them and who wants to criticize an organization that has helped so many people whom you will never meet because, presumably, you&#039;re more interested in judging than understanding, please stop and think: Who are you serving?  Where is your conscience?

The irony, Dr. B, is that if you had gone to the organization that you so unfairly criticize in your post, you would have gotten very good information on behavioral techniques that would have worked in conjunction with medication. And, you would have gotten educated about the proper use of medications, because so many treating physicians don&#039;t bother; hence so many sad stories, like that from Princess. (If your son was taking Ritalin as of a few years ago, he was taking an outmoded medication, one known for causing unnecessary side effects.)

And Marilyn, I don&#039;t know your goal in the blogosphere. My &quot;fascination&quot; with this topic comes from having a heart and having a mind that can see when people who have suffered, often for many years, get the right kind of help, that is a good thing. What more important goal can there be? 

The mingy-minded among you automatically assume I am a pharma shill, etc. But you betray your own mindset, not mine. I&#039;ve taken not one cent from pharma or anyone else. My book has been a labor of love, and if you doubt it, ask my accountant. I&#039;ve worked very hard for 8 years to make a dent in ADHD Awareness, because I&#039;ve seen the devastation wrought by both untreated ADHD and a society in denial. 

And these days, I&#039;m about ready to decide that the Internet is a lost cause. It is in too many ways the last refuge of the heartless and mindless -- even among alleged medical professionals -- and that&#039;s too bad because there is such opportunity for enlightenment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Marilyn, it is frightening to me to witness the lack of empathy, not to mention true critical thinking (which involves examining all the evidence) among so many &#8220;smart&#8221; people. </p>
<p>I do not understand the need to make things so much  harder for people who suffer enough stigma as it is.</p>
<p>And Dr. B., the idea isn&#8217;t to criticize your parenting but to point out that when you write factually incorrect posts like this, your words have power and the ripple out in ways that can hurt people. You have a medical degree. You are a brain expert. So, when you castigate these researchers, CHADD, medications, and everything else, it carries weight.</p>
<p>The result? Vulnerable people are hurt.  I can&#8217;t imagine that is your intention. Would you want someone to have told your child, when he was benefiting from medication after his parents best attempts to help him with schoolwork failed, that he was a tool of Big Pharma, that he had been brainwashed by the establishment who wanted to &#8220;turn boys into girls&#8221; or anything else, that he was seeking a &#8220;quick fix&#8221; from parents who just didn&#8217;t want to be parents?  No, I don&#8217;t think so.  But that&#8217;s where this kind of talk leads.</p>
<p>Moreover, I&#8217;ve had the honor of meeting some of the other MTA investigators (other than the egotistical, selfish Bill Pelham, that is), and I&#8217;ve never been so impressed with a group of scientists. Their compassion, their intelligence, and their generosity puts their pot-shotting critics to shame. But it&#8217;s not people like this who are loved by the media; the media likes people who make outrageous statements that completely lack nuance and play to their cognitive dissonance.</p>
<p>So, Dr. B., Marilyn, and anyone who wants to criticize the use of medications for people who truly benefit from them and who wants to criticize an organization that has helped so many people whom you will never meet because, presumably, you&#8217;re more interested in judging than understanding, please stop and think: Who are you serving?  Where is your conscience?</p>
<p>The irony, Dr. B, is that if you had gone to the organization that you so unfairly criticize in your post, you would have gotten very good information on behavioral techniques that would have worked in conjunction with medication. And, you would have gotten educated about the proper use of medications, because so many treating physicians don&#8217;t bother; hence so many sad stories, like that from Princess. (If your son was taking Ritalin as of a few years ago, he was taking an outmoded medication, one known for causing unnecessary side effects.)</p>
<p>And Marilyn, I don&#8217;t know your goal in the blogosphere. My &#8220;fascination&#8221; with this topic comes from having a heart and having a mind that can see when people who have suffered, often for many years, get the right kind of help, that is a good thing. What more important goal can there be? </p>
<p>The mingy-minded among you automatically assume I am a pharma shill, etc. But you betray your own mindset, not mine. I&#8217;ve taken not one cent from pharma or anyone else. My book has been a labor of love, and if you doubt it, ask my accountant. I&#8217;ve worked very hard for 8 years to make a dent in ADHD Awareness, because I&#8217;ve seen the devastation wrought by both untreated ADHD and a society in denial. </p>
<p>And these days, I&#8217;m about ready to decide that the Internet is a lost cause. It is in too many ways the last refuge of the heartless and mindless &#8212; even among alleged medical professionals &#8212; and that&#8217;s too bad because there is such opportunity for enlightenment.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramakant, thanks for the link. I see that Gina spends a lot of time commenting on anything that would state anything negative about pharmacological treatments of ADHD. It is my perception that perhaps she is a) trying to sell her own snake oil (book) and b) is being paid to advertise for the pharma industry.   Gina, your writing is lovely- wish it wasn&#039;t wasted on this drivel. I just don&#039;t understand your fascination with the literal &quot;pharmacopia&quot; available out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramakant, thanks for the link. I see that Gina spends a lot of time commenting on anything that would state anything negative about pharmacological treatments of ADHD. It is my perception that perhaps she is a) trying to sell her own snake oil (book) and b) is being paid to advertise for the pharma industry.   Gina, your writing is lovely- wish it wasn&#8217;t wasted on this drivel. I just don&#8217;t understand your fascination with the literal &#8220;pharmacopia&#8221; available out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Bremner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the multiple goosings that I am a bad father for not exhaustively examining all of the treatment options for my own son... I am a physican, the son of a physician, I have been taught not to treat my own family members. I went to multiple child psychiatrists, pediatricians etc. In retrospect I would have taken on the responsibility of the treatment on myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the multiple goosings that I am a bad father for not exhaustively examining all of the treatment options for my own son&#8230; I am a physican, the son of a physician, I have been taught not to treat my own family members. I went to multiple child psychiatrists, pediatricians etc. In retrospect I would have taken on the responsibility of the treatment on myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Bremner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy Davenport said: &quot;Your knowledge of scientific method is lacking, too. The group in the MTA study that received medications not from “community care” were treated quite unlike those relegated to community care; where, presumably, they all ended up after the study was completed.&quot; The design was to treat patients with medication, therapy, combination, or treatment as usual for one year, and then see how they were doing at three years. That was the choice of the investigators to do such a study design. Following up at three years was not an afterthought as implied by the USA Today editorial. They chose the study design, they live with the results. Period.

It is obvious from the paper that those originally treated with meds tended to stay on meds more than those who were not originally treated with meds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy Davenport said: &#8220;Your knowledge of scientific method is lacking, too. The group in the MTA study that received medications not from “community care” were treated quite unlike those relegated to community care; where, presumably, they all ended up after the study was completed.&#8221; The design was to treat patients with medication, therapy, combination, or treatment as usual for one year, and then see how they were doing at three years. That was the choice of the investigators to do such a study design. Following up at three years was not an afterthought as implied by the USA Today editorial. They chose the study design, they live with the results. Period.</p>
<p>It is obvious from the paper that those originally treated with meds tended to stay on meds more than those who were not originally treated with meds.</p>
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