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You know, Doug, this University inside political crap is (obviously expected in most work places)just unbelievable. My mother had a similar collegue problem where she was a Professor at a University, it was all ego-power BS, I’ve seen it all.
Stick the finger up at that “un-invitation” in a salute that place frankly deserves!
I applaud you writing candidly about this, and thanks, because it’s informative and thought provoking to say the least.
Hi Doug,
Keep up the courageous work! I can’t believe that the DSM-V committees are considering such weak prodromal diagnoses after rejecting Developmental Trauma Disorder. The last thing psychiatry needs right now is a secret cabal.
Keep up the good work.
I love your Photoshop pictures!
Two points:
They have proven absolutely that the DSM-V has no claim to being scientific. Secrecy is totally antithetical to scientific pursuit.
Be of good cheer. Ad hominem arguments and being persona non grata are two of the highest awards of merit available in this field.
Oy. Frankly, I don’t know what to make of all this DSM miasma.
I witnessed enough whackadoodliness at the recent APA conference (e.g. self-medicating with Powerpoints on personality disorders, especially borderline personality disorder, to the exclusion of well-studied “impulse-control” conditions such as ADHD) to doubt the wisdom of psychiatry as an organized body. As my husband the scientist says, “I think those guys are more into dogma than data.”
At the same time, I have the highest respect for many individual psychiatrists. Will they have the pointy elbows that might be required to have their voice heard, or are they too well-balanced, sane and non-narcissistic? I don’t know. Since, in my opinion, the best researcher-clinicians have received pharma funding to some degree and I understand that excludes them from the DSM festivities, well, that provides cold comfort.
But on this point, Dr. B: “Also behavioral impulses like excess of food, sex, internet, or whatever are up for grabs as diagnoses. That will take something that is a moral problem and turn it into a medical disorder.”
The truth is, some people truly do have neurobehavioral impulse-control problems; and being morally judged for their lack of inhibition has never helped their efforts. It only adds to their isolation and fuels their excesses. I cannot tell you the number of people with ADHD who, once they started medical treatment, finally were able to kick their “checking every headline in the world on the Internet at 2 a.m” habit and go to sleep. Why would anyone NOT want these people to gain the ability to regulate their impulses? I just don’t understand it.
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DB wrote:
“…Also behavioral impulses like excess of food, sex, internet, or whatever are up for grabs as diagnoses…”
LOL. All these patterns are trivial to interrupt: it’s been known in NLP for ages that this is so. NLP-adherents haven’t worked out why, though. Not yet, anyway. One thing I’m pretty clear on, though: one can’t change habitual behaviour with drugs. Nor with coercion. And certainly not by denouncing a person as a witch (sorry, that should read “diagnosing a person as mentally ill, on spurious grounds”)! It seems cruel, to me, to oblige a patient to exist in a reality, the only purpose of which appears to be to justify the continued existence of people who are unwilling to assist them!
Matt
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thank you for your blog, your work…
Great Article. I am going to send it in a mailing. The more I glean about the new DSM, the more I want to vomit.
Also , great LOL cat.
Sorry Matthew, I’ve known longtime instructors of NLP who ultimately found it did not help with their ADHD symptoms, which certainly weren’t “trivial” — to have or deal with.
This is my first comment at your site, directed by the writings, in order, of Philip Dawdy at Furious Seasons, Dr Daniel Carlat of the Carlat Report Blog, and of ClinPsych. You may have read my comments at those sites in the past as Therapyfirst, but I have changed my alias to the above skillsnotpills after I have reached critical mass after how pretty much everyone has written off psychotherapy as an intervention for mental health care needs. So, I still reinforce the nonpharmacological interventions, but start by reinforcing the need for skills, albeit however the patient can access such needs.
I applaud what I see and read as direct transparency, and hope you will succeed in further exposing the charlatans in our profession who claim to be physicians and leaders, but who are instead just whores and cowards, and as well all who embrace or just silently condone the lame and more overtly obscene, and in my opinion evil, intentions and goals by said whores and cowards to just basically line their pockets for selling out the profession of psychiatry.
Bit of a run on sentence above, but I am tired and annoyed people are interested in dialogue and reasonable discourse with uninterested and unreasonable cretins who unfortunately do have some power, as long as those in authority go unopposed or exert disgusting influence. I have been a whistleblower about treatment issues and inappropriate politics in treatment settings in the past, and have been screwed. So, I just leave you and interested readers this point of view, that I also left at Dr Carlat’s site earlier this evening:
I would rather be vilified for doing what is right, than glorified for doing what is wrong.
If that statement resonates in you, do what is right. The old guard in psychiatry, as a whole, are truly lost and not worthy of respect or consideration as leaders. We as a collective responsible majority, if there is such a group in psychiatry, need to rise and refute those who’s agenda is selfishness, greed, irresponsibility, and risk for outright harm to the patients.
You can give my position some consideration, or watch the terminal course of the profession of psychiatry play out. It is truly your call as an invested professional, or caring patient, or involved family or other provider.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Skillsnotpills, board certified psychiatrist for more than 10 years.
Ha ha! Therapyfirst! Welcome! And we admonish you to return to your first nomer!
yeah TF don’t confuse us LOL
True. The DSM is not a scientific document. For a critical summary http://www.zurinstitute.com/dsmcritique.html
Straw man, Nola. No one ever said the DSM is a scientific document or a perfect instrument. Obviously, some diagnoses carry stronger scientific research than others.
But your link strikes me a rather paranoid and extreme (and I wonder how Dr. B will view your denouncement of PTSD as nothing more than a major lobbying effort): # “The DSM is a powerful tool of social control, as its criteria is a primary tool used to judge who is normal or abnormal, sane or insane or who should remain free or be hospitalized against their will.”
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I am not sure what is paranoid or extreme in claiming the process, by which additions or changes are made to the DSM, to be non- scientific ……….One telling example is the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder. Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder in the DSM until 1974, when gay activists demonstrated in front of the American Psychiatric Association Convention. The APA’s 1974 vote showed 5,854 members supporting and 3,810 opposing the disorder’s removal from the manual. At that time, the American Psychiatric Association made headlines by announcing that it had decided homosexuality was no longer a mental illness. Voting on what constitutes mental illness is truly bizarre and, needless to say, is political and unscientific.
Nola Nordmarken
Contributing author
Zur Institute
http://www.zurinstitute.com/dsmcritique.html
naaaahhh, go back to your statement and defend that, Nola: “The DSM is a powerful tool of social control, as its criteria is a primary tool used to judge who is normal or abnormal, sane or insane or who should remain free or be hospitalized against their will.”
Nola: The statement from your – btw very interesting – critique of the DSM you were asked to defend, just got proven right when it got labelled “paranoid”. B-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l, Gina, thanks!
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The DSM is a subjective document. Nora points out the absurdity of homosexuality being labeled a disorder, and then voted on to ascertain whether it is or not. Voting on labeling someone for life?
We can all do better than that. Nora is not paranoid. That word gets tossed around by people who cannot back up their claims with scientific evidence. Thos epeople are liars.
[...] On June 23rd, 2009, an article in press at Psychiatric Times was posted by Doug Bremner, MD on his health blog, igniting debate through the medical community. That article was an editorial authored by Allan [...]
[...] DSM-V Shadow Team: Retaliations & Beware of Consequences An article in press in Psychiatric Times which I have posted here has been circulating around that represents a remarkable critique of the process of revising the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) by the American Psychiatric Association, Chaired by David Kupfer MD. What’s more chilling is that it is authored by Allen Frances, MD, who chaired the committee to write DSM-4. Dr. Frances comes up with some pretty strong language, e.g.:… [...]
I’m writing an article about the proposed developmental trauma disorder and wanted to see the post you mention in this blog about it, but the link isn’t there anymore. Any way I can see what you said?
[...] June 23rd, 2009, an article in press at Psychiatric Times was posted by Doug Bremner, MD on his health blog, igniting debate through the medical community. That article was an editorial authored by Allan [...]