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		<title>Fresh Guidance for Pregnant Women on Antidepressants, Indeed.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In August of 2009 ABC News did a <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8378059">story</a> on antidepressant use in pregnant women, with one of the sections entitled &#8220;Fresh Guidance on Antidepressant Use in Women&#8221;. Fresh guidance, indeed. The only thing fresh about it was that a number of the academic psychiatrists who had been receiving large sums of money to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In August of 2009 ABC News did a <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8378059">story</a> on antidepressant use in pregnant women, with one of the sections entitled &#8220;Fresh Guidance on Antidepressant Use in Women&#8221;. Fresh guidance, indeed. The only thing fresh about it was that a number of the academic psychiatrists who had been receiving large sums of money to serve on various &#8220;Women&#8217;s Health&#8221; consulting boards related to mental health paid for by the pharmaceutical industry, who were also being paid to fan out across the country and give lectures designed to convince psychiatrists to give SSRIs to pregnant and lactating women, were being quoted in the article as stating that antidepressants were safe to give in pregnant and lactating women. That was, in fact, far from the truth. It has been known for <a href="http://uniteforlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/what-the-media-doesnt-say-about-antidepressants-pregnancy/" target="_blank">quite some time </a>that SSRIs can induce <a href="http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/about-ama/17742.shtml" target="_blank">cardiac defects</a>, increase the risk of miscarriage, and cause other problems like Primary Pulmonary Hypertension (PPH). The drugs cross the placental barrier, for Christ&#8217;s sake. Would you take a drug that messes with the brain&#8217;s serotonin receptors in your unborn baby, willingly? Hopefully not! Why not just use crack cocaine?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uniteforlife.org/" target="_blank">Amy Philo</a>, a mom who developed severe psychiatric symptoms as a result of being given Zoloft in the post-partum period, was contacted by ABC News about their story, but she was never put on the air. Instead, ABC went with a mom who took antidepressants during pregnancy.</p>
<div id="attachment_4206" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 126px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-4206" href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2010/02/22/fresh-guidance-for-pregnant-women-on-antidepressants-indeed/amy_philo/"><img class="size-full wp-image-4206" title="Amy_Philo" src="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Amy_Philo.jpg" alt="Amy Philo and son" width="116" height="95" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Amy Philo and son</p></div>
<p>See Amy <a href="http://www.videoefe.com/videos/9trXZrzWkvA/4/1/amy/amy-philo-speaks-out-on-the-mothers-act">Amy Philo Speaks Out on the Mother\&#8217;s Act</a>.</p>
<p>Since 80% of the efficacy of antidepressants is purely placebo effect, the much vaunted effects of the mainstream academic psychiatry establisment to get all pregnant women with depressive symptoms on an SSRI, which held the risk of injury or death to their in utero babies, something they would have to live with for the rest of their lives, in exchange for a 4% or so bump over placebo on a depression rating, all of the ranting and raving of mainstream psychiatry over the tragedy of the depressed mom, and this bullshit about how she won&#8217;t connect with her baby when it is born, seems a bit overblown, no? The true risks of SSRIs to pregnant and lactating mothers and their babies are now becoming <a href="http://yubanet.com/opinions/Evelyn-Pringle-Glaxo-Birth-Defect-Litigation-Reveals-Paxil-Promoters-on-Speed-Dial.php" target="_blank">known, thanks to excellent journalist reporting </a>by people like Evelyn Pringle. Hopefully it can save some lives. And babies.</p>
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		<title>Pharmawars. Episode 1, the Mommies Strike Back!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
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		<title>Motherhood is STILL Not a Medical Disorder: Response to Critics</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After I wrote this post yesterday called "Motherhood is Not a Medical Disorder" about the Mother's Act, which advocates for widespread screening of moms for post-partum depression (PPD), something I don't think is a good idea because it medicalizes a normal stage of life, increases the chances that people will be but on antidepressant medications that they may not need and that may have side effects, and represents yet another intrusion into privacy, I got this response from John Grohol at psychcentral ("False Claims by Bremner").]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I wrote <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/07/13/being-a-mom-is-not-a-medical-disorder/">this post</a> yesterday called &#8220;Motherhood is Not a Medical Disorder&#8221; about the Mother&#8217;s Act, which advocates for widespread screening of moms for post-partum depression (PPD), something I don&#8217;t think is a good idea because it medicalizes a normal stage of life, increases the chances that people will be but on antidepressant medications that they may not need and that may have side effects, and represents yet another intrusion into privacy, I got this <a href="http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/07/14/bremners-false-claims-about-postpartum-depression/">response</a> from John Grohol at psychcentral (&#8220;False Claims by Bremner&#8221;).</p>
<p>First he grumbles about my pointing out that the psychiatrist quoted in the Time article, Katherine Wisner, MD (you can follow the link to the Time article in yesterday&#8217;s <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/07/13/being-a-mom-is-not-a-medical-disorder/">post</a>), was on the speakers bureau for Pfizer and Lilly (something not noted in the article but which I found on my own), makers of Zoloft and Prozac, respectively, which as a commenter pointed out are promoted as the two safest antidepressants for pregnant and lactating women. Being on a speaker&#8217;s bureau these days means giving &#8220;promotional talks&#8221;, which translates into working for the drug company to advertise to other doctors, and is relevant. In addition, the psychcentral website has paid ads, most of them for treatment (which includes medications), while this site has no ads. And don&#8217;t say I am trying to profit off my book, which now <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/07/11/self-gratuitous-book-promotion-story-from-a-reader-on-amazon-reviews/">goes for a nickel on amazon</a>.</p>
<p>Grohol further takes issue with my statement that women without a prior history of anxiety or depression are not at risk for PPD and therefore would not benefit from widespread screening. However in support of that he cites <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/2009/7/ross_2009_ppd.pdf">Ross et al 2009</a>, claiming that history of abuse and alcohol or substance abuse are risk factors for PPD as well. However a perusal of Ross et al shows that a history of childhood abuse is not in fact a factor, rather only abuse during pregnancy. In addition, it is alcohol and substance abuse during pregnancy that is a risk factor, on the order of a pregnant woman drinking a six pack a day or actively abusing cocaine. That kind of substance abuse is a risk to the fetus, and needs to be stopped.</p>
<p>If you have a man beating his pregnant wife, or a woman snorting cocaine while pregnant, that it is a situation much more serious than PPD, and should be stopped. These extreme circumstances hardly justify mass screening for PPD.</p>
<p>I still say NO to the MOTHER&#8217;S ACT.</p>
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		<title>Motherhood is Not a Medical Disorder</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Doug Bremner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This recent article in Time Magazine discusses the Mother's Act, legislation initiated in response to the story of Melanie Blocker-Stokes, who leaped to her death from her hotel room in Chicago three months after the birth of her daughter. Officially known as the Melanie Blocker-Stokes Post Partum Depression Research and Care Act, but referred to as the Mother's Act, this legislation would require screening of all women post-partum for depression.

The problem with this is the attitude that being a mother is a risk factor for a psychiatric disorder. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This recent <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1909628-1,00.html">article</a> in <em>Time Magazine </em>discusses the Mother&#8217;s Act, legislation initiated in response to the story of Melanie Blocker-Stokes, who leaped to her death from her hotel room in Chicago three months after the birth of her daughter. Officially known as the Melanie Blocker-Stokes Post Partum Depression Research and Care Act, but referred to as the Mother&#8217;s Act, this legislation would require screening of all women post-partum for depression.</p>
<p>The problem with this is the attitude that being a mother is a risk factor for a psychiatric disorder. First of all, there is no evidence that women without a prior history of anxiety and depression have any increased risk of getting post partum depression. So to screen all moms as if giving birth is a risk factor for depression is ridiculous. And whenever you start screening the general population, you get into problems with over-identification of people and an increase in the number of people that go on antidepressants. I am opposed to mandatory screenings of the population, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeenScreen">Teenscreen</a>, which are bonanzas for the pharmaceutical industry, but a major intrusion into the privacy and autonomy of American citizens. In the case of Melanie Blocker-Stokes, she had already been treated with multiple courses of psychotropic drugs and electro-convulsive therapy, so there is no reason to think that her life would have been saved by &#8220;screening&#8221;. This legislation is typical of much that comes out of an individual tragedy, that results in an intrusion into the personal lives of individuals and the further relinqueshment of individual freedoms to the government.</p>
<p>The article quotes psychiatrist Katherine Wisner MD as stating &#8221;how can you be opposed to something that will help mothers?&#8221; But an examination of the fine print from one of her articles <a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/282/13/1264?maxtoshow=&amp;HITS=10&amp;hits=10&amp;RESULTFORMAT=&amp;fulltext=wisner+kl%2C+gelenberg+ja&amp;searchid=1&amp;FIRSTINDEX=0&amp;resourcetype=HWCIT">here</a> shows that she is on speakers bureaus for Pfizer and Lilly, makers of Zoloft and Prozac, respectively. </p>
<p>In it is quoted <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9trXZrzWkvA">Amy Philo</a>, a leader of the coalition against the Mother&#8217;s Act. Her experience was that after her baby choked on his vomit and needed emergency treatment, she became increasingly anxious about his health. Her doctor gave her Zoloft, telling her that it would make both her and her baby happier. After treatment with Zoloft, she started having alarming suicidal thoughts and thoughts about hurting her baby. When she weaned herself off of Zoloft she felt fine. This experience led her to start the <a href="http://www.uniteforlife.org/">United Non-Profits and Individuals for Truth and Ethics (UNITE)</a>, a coalition opposed to the Mother&#8217;s Act (click <a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-the-dangerous-and-invasive-mothers-act">here</a> to sign their petition). Time magazine recently corrected a statement that she had post-partum depression and developed thoughts of harm before taking Zoloft, which <a href="http://uniteforlife.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/time-magazine-to-retract-false-statements-about-amy-philo-yes-thats-me/">wasn&#8217;t true</a>.</p>
<p>[update: read more on the debate that arose after this post <a href="http://uniteforlife.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/john-grohol-ignores-forced-treatment-and-infant-deaths/#comment-2288">here</a> at Amy Philo's The Bitter Pill blog and my responses to John Grohol's attack on this post ("Bremner makes false claims...") <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/07/15/test-2/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2009/07/15/mommy-wars-john-grohol-is-blocking-my-comments-from-his-website-so-i-am-commenting-here/">here</a>.]</p>
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